Protect the Spark: Creating digital giving experiences that delight donors from the first gift

All right, we have some people filing in. I want to say good afternoon and welcome to Protect the Spark, creating digital giving experiences that delight donors from the first gift. Our presenter today is Josh Bloomfield. Josh has been, or has more than 20 Read More

All right, we have some people filing in. I want to say good afternoon and welcome to Protect the Spark, creating digital giving experiences that delight donors from the first gift. Our presenter today is Josh Bloomfield. Josh has been, or has more than 20 years of experience in technology design and donor engagement. A self-taught coder and award-winning leader, he began his career building technology solutions for government agents, government organizations, and under-resourced entrepreneurs. Motivated by personal adversity, he created Givecloud in 2010 to help nonprofits build deeper connections with their supporters. Since then, Josh has helped nonprofits raise more than $1 billion through high-converting digital experiences that inspire generosity. Today, Givecloud is part of DonorPerfect, where Josh continues to lead innovation in digital fundraising. Josh is also a designer, musician, advisor, investor, an organ donor, husband, and proud father of two. Now, before we get started, I just have a few housekeeping items to cover. The session is being recorded and will be sent out later this week to all registrants. We’ve also had a lot of registrations, which means a very busy chat. So please remember to add your questions to the Q and A so that we can see them. All right. So Josh, you are all set.

Thank you, Laurie. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining DonorPerfect and I here today for this webinar. I’m super excited. I’ve been trying for the last decade to package my best thought leadership on digital fundraising into a single, high impact, highly educational, practical webinar, and I truly believe that this webinar is the closest I’ve come to it. The broad topic today is how to maximize your online donation form, but I promise you are going to leave with so much more. As you already heard, I’m Josh. I got my start in high school making music, designing, programming. I was fortunate enough to get an early start by making software for the U.S. government. I’ve been able to take that experience with me and build multiple software businesses and projects. But most proudly, Givecloud. And at Givecloud, we believe a delighted donor becomes a devoted donor, and that’s what so many of us are after-a devoted donor who gives more, gives quickly, gives more frequently, and tells their friends about the mission. That’s why we focus on donor delight. This is my gorgeous family: my wife Chelsea, my oldest daughter Poppy, my baby girl Penny Lane, and when we’re not busy homeschooling, traveling, going to the beach, we spend a lot of our time driving our kids to dance and cheer. These are my people, and really, that’s what this session is about. It’s about people, because behind every click of your donation form, there’s a human, a person who cares, a daughter, a son, brother, coworker, parent, loved one, people just like you and I on this webinar, who saw a need, felt something in their heart, and decided, even if only for a moment, I want to help. And our job on this webinar as fundraisers is to honor that moment, not bury it under friction, not to make the donor prove their generosity by navigating a confusing website or a long, exhausting form. Our job is to protect the generosity that is already there today. I want to encourage you and equip you. We’re going to look at the science, the website experience, and the form itself. And my hope is that you will leave energized, not overwhelmed, with a clear path to help donors say yes to the impact they want to make, I want you to imagine that every single person that lands on your website arrives with a spark. They aren’t some cold, neutral, analytical user. They arrive because something has already moved them-a story, a crisis, a friend, a sermon, a school campaign, a patient, a rescue animal, a meal, a child, a community need. There is already some spark. Of generosity, and sparks are fragile. The digital experience has the power to either protect that spark or blow that spark out. For example, imagine your donor lands on a website that, to them, feels outdated. Perhaps they begin to wonder if the organization is trustworthy, and their spark flickers. Maybe the donate button isn’t obvious enough; it’s a little too hard to find. They hesitate, and the spark dims. Maybe they land on a form that feels long, clunky, or impersonal. Their momentum drops, and that spark fizzles out. This is the heart of the work. I want you to write this down. This is critical. We are not trying to manufacture generosity with clever tricks. We’re not trying to manipulate the donor into taking some action they wouldn’t otherwise take. We are trying to remove the obstacles that choke the spark, that prevent generosity from becoming action. Our job is to protect generosity, to protect the spark. Does that make sense to everyone on this webinar? Hit me up in the comments. Engage me. Engage with me a little bit here. Give me a thumbs up if you are ready to be a digital guardian of generosity. Yes, I see you, and protect that spark. All right, we’re gonna move through protecting the spark in three parts. I don’t want you memorizing mindless best practices. I want you to understand the deeper psychology behind digital fundraising. Because when you understand why something works, you can apply it with wisdom instead of just copying trends blindly. So we’re going to start with the science behind why we do what we do to delight donors and protect the spark.

Second, we’ll talk about the website because there’s a hard truth here, and it’s that a great form experience actually starts before the form opens. We’ll dive into that, and third, we’ll talk about delighting donors through the form itself. The form is the giving moment. We’re either gently blowing oxygen onto that spark, or we’re blowing it out entirely. And I’ll tell you, it is a delicate balance. The science, the website, and the form-that’s our path, and underneath it all is one mission: to honor the moment of generosity and protect the spark. Let’s start with the science. It’s easy to talk about form optimization in a way that feels mechanical. I’m going to use terms like conversion rates. We’re going to talk about abandonment and form fields, testing and performance, and they’re useful words. But if we’re not careful, we can make digital fundraising sound less human than it really is. The science works because donors are people just like you and I on this webinar, and you and I, we respond to clarity. We respond to trust. We respond to familiar patterns. We respond to ease. We respond to social signals. We respond when we can see that our gift is joining something meaningful. Best practices-they don’t come from nowhere. They come from what we know about digital behavior, donor psychology, and the way people make decisions when emotion, trust, and action are all happening at once. According to MNR benchmarks in 2026, online revenue from the average nonprofit increased by 15% in 2025. Monthly giving accounted for 27% of online revenue, and a whopping 37% of all annual online revenue came in December. What’s this mean for you? Your online experience is no longer simply a convenience. Digital giving is no longer a side door. It is one of the main relationship channels your nonprofit owns. Your online experience is now a major part of how donors discover you, evaluate you, trust you, and support you. A donor who gives online is not asking for a lesser relationship. They’re still looking for meaning. Still want to feel connected, they still want to know their gift mattered. When we improve online giving, we’re not just improving a transaction; we’re improving one of the primary ways donors experience your mission in a digital-first world. This number should both humble us and encourage us. And then our benchmarks reports that nonprofits receive donations from 1.6% of all website visitors. That means that 98.4% of people who come to a nonprofit website do not give during that visit. Now, listen. Some of that’s normal. Not every visitor comes to your website to donate. Some come for program information, event details, volunteer opportunities, resources, or maybe even just a phone number. But it still tells us something really important: the margin for error is razor thin. A confusing donate path matters. A slow or crowded page matters. A form that asks too much too soon matters. Missing mobile payment options matter. These are not tiny design preferences. These are small moments where a donor’s intention can either keep moving or start to fade. The encouraging part of this is that small improvements can matter. We do not need to rebuild a whole organization to make the donor journey more generous, clear, and effective. Your donors have been trained all day by the digital world around them. They’re going to order groceries, buy tickets, use Apple Pay, subscribe to streaming services, check out on Amazon, renew memberships, bank online, and whether they realize it or not, each of those experiences teaches their brain what easy, safe, and familiar feels like. Then, they come across your donation form. Question for us all: How many of you believe your donors say to themselves, “Ah, I’ve come to a nonprofit website. I’m going to lower my expectations. We all know that would be insane and entirely unreasonable. We all know their brain simply asks, “Does this feel clear? Does this feel safe? Do I know what to do next? The Nielsen Norman Group puts it plainly: forms of any kind are mental work. Baymard’s checkout research suggests that better checkout design can produce major improvements in completion, and that is the point. Every field, every label, every option, every click adds ease. No, they add work. They add mental load. They create the very friction that threatens the spark.

Our job is to make the donor’s generosity easier to act on, rather than abandon. We need to protect that spark, and that spark is more than simply can I give. The donor is subconsciously processing a ton. Is this safe? Is this real? Is this organization competent? Will my gift matter? Do other people trust this mission? Will I regret putting my credit card information here? And much of that is answered before they even read the first paragraph of copy. It’s answered through design, by the professionalism of your website, by whether the form feels like it belongs to your organization, by whether there’s a lock icon, modern payment methods, familiar visual patterns, clear impact language, and social proof that others are giving too. Stanford’s web credibility research has long shown that design quality and usability dramatically influence credibility. Design quality and usability dramatically influence the credibility. As fundraisers, we need to take that seriously. This means that beauty is not vanity. Beauty in digital design is a trust signal. It tells us this brand’s legit, this mission’s cared for, this experience is safe. I can keep going. In a digital world, beauty often powers. Trust and trust is what will fan the spark into a flame. Beauty powers trust. There’s another reality I want to be honest about. All organizations should apply best practices. They improve the donor experience for everyone, and that’s a great thing. However, there is a magic that happens with higher traffic organizations, organizations with meaningful views on their website each week, where the most measurable lift happens. The data set is large enough for small improvements to become far more obvious. Imagine 100 people visit your form in a month, and eight people donate. A move from eight donors to 10 donors matters. That is real money. It’s real ministry. It’s real meals, real rescue, real scholarships, real impact. But it’s really tough to prove the source of the increase statistically, because the sample size is so small, one unusually generous donor, one staff email, one snowstorm, one local news story can swing the numbers. But now imagine there’s 1000, or even 10,000 people visiting your form. If the rate improves from 8% to 10% We’re not talking about two donors. We’re talking about 200 donors. Now the pattern is easier to trust, and the revenue impact is much more visible. So, what do I want you to understand here? Best practices are for everyone on this webinar, and the more traffic you drive, the bigger the impact they’ll have. Lastly, before we move on to the best practices themselves, I really want to encourage you. At times, I know best practices and optimizations can feel gimmicky, or even a little like manipulation. I struggle with this myself, but here’s the truth: optimization is not manipulation. When it helps a donor complete the generous act they came to do, you’re fanning a spark into a flame. You’re stewarding a moment of generosity. Generosity deserves a clear path. We reduce friction because attention is precious, and that spark is fragile. We’re going to use social proof because donors need reassurance that they’re not alone. We’re going to improve design because trust is felt before it’s explained. We test our assumptions because it’s not about our opinions; it’s about what’s right for the donor. We aren’t in the fundraising business; we are in the spark protecting business, focusing on the heart before the wallet, focusing on connection with our donors before conversion, focusing on delight before data, and it’s that delighted donor that becomes a devoted donor. And devoted donors give more, give more often, and invite others into your mission. The science isn’t cold. The science is one of the ways we practice care as we scale. The science is how we protect the spark with love and intention. All right, we’ve covered the science. Let’s move on to that tough truth I hinted at earlier. By the time someone opens your donation form, the donor has probably already begun collecting signals. They’ve looked at your homepage. They’ve scanned your navigation. They have judged, sometimes unfairly, but very quickly, whether your organization looks current, credible, and active, they’ve asked whether they understand the mission. They’ve wondered what their gift will do. Your form matters deeply, but your form inherits the emotional state created by your website. Trust begins before the donor clicks that donate button.

If the website creates confidence, the form can protect that momentum. However, if the website’s creating doubt, the form fights an uphill battle, fighting against that kind of negative momentum. The challenge before us on this webinar is: How can we prepare your donor to give before they click donate and protect that spark? Here’s a simple test: Could a first-time visitor to your website understand? Three things in under 10 seconds: what you do, why it matters, and how will giving help. What you do, what problem are you solving in the world? Why it matters right now? Is there relevance to my life right now? And how will giving help? This is such a common mistake I see across so many nonprofit websites. Too often, we lead with organizational language, program names, internal categories, extensive Organizational histories and committee-approved copy, and it all might be true, but I’ll tell you this: it’s often not clear, and it’s clarity that creates confidence for your donor. When a donor lands on your website, they should not have to decode your mission. They should feel it. They should see the people, the places, the animals, the students, the patients, the artists, the families, and communities their gifts will touch. Remember what we learned earlier: trust is felt before it’s explained. That’s what’s beautiful about web design. It can it accomplishes that level of trust. It’s planting the feelings of trust. Adding this level of clarity is not dumbing down our work. Clarity is honoring the donor and that spark. It’s saying we’ll make it easy for you to see the good your generosity can fund. When someone’s ready to give, we can’t make them hunt for the next step. Your donate button should be easy to find on both our desktop and mobile devices. It needs to look like a primary action. It should not be hidden inside a dropdown. It should not be treated like one of 12 equal navigation items. A good pattern is a clear donate or give now button in the top right corner on desktop, and a visible mobile action, and repeated opportunities to give after every major impact content area on your website. Think about it this way: How does a hidden donate button make your donor feel? A hidden donate button subtly asks the donor to prove their generosity. When in reality, the donor already arrives with a spark. Their heart is motivated. They are ready. If we make the path hard to find, we introduce unnecessary friction at the precise moment we should be creating momentum. So let’s make our donation button unmistakable-not pushy, not desperate, just clear, confident, and easy to act on. During busy giving seasons, your website needs to become more intentional. A year-end campaign, Giving Tuesday, a match deadline, a disaster response, a gala, a community crisis-these moments create urgency. That’s where banners and sticky reminders can be powerful. A great banner does not simply shout “Donate now. It orients your donor. For example, your gift today helps provide emergency meals before the weekend, or your year-end gift will be matched through december 31. A sticky reminder can also help when a donor starts to give, but closes the form or gets distracted. Done well, this is not nagging. It is stewardship of intent. The donors already raised their hand. This reminder offers them a gentle way back, and the key here is respect. We’re not trying to trap people, or trying to help them return to the generous act they already started. Let’s talk about embedding a form on a website. There are two common approaches to doing this. There’s an inline and a modal embed, an inline form sits directly on your website in a page you design. That can work only when the entire page is built for giving and giving only, and there’s very few distractions around it. Now a modal. Form opens over the current page after the donor clicks donate, and there’s a huge advantage to the modal approach, and that advantage is focus. Watch as the donate button is pressed. The rest of the page moves into the background, and the donor’s attention goes to the giving moment. In many cases, modal experiences perform well because they reduce competing signals. Just no sidebars, no long copy, no navigation pulling the eye away. Just the next step. Let’s try and watch it again here. The bigger principle here is protecting focus.

When a donor is ready to give, the page should stop behaving like a brochure and start behaving like a pathway. The donation experience should feel connected to your brand, easy to trust, and intentionally designed around completion. Your website’s job ain’t finished after the donation button’s clicked. The momentum and relationship needs to continue. What if your donor needs to update a payment method, download a receipt, review their giving history, change your recurring gifts, or simply feel confident that they are in control of their generosity. That is where a donor portal for your website matters. A donor portal allows your donors to log in and manage their own profile with your organization. A donor portal is not just an administrative convenience for your own team, although it absolutely helps reduce support requests as donors self-address their own issues. A donor portal is another huge trust signal to your donor. It says, “Hey, you’re safe here. You can manage your relationship with us. We will not make generosity hard to continue, and your recurring donors especially love this. If the donor can update a card, adjust a gift, or find a receipt without emailing staff and waiting for help, the relationship feels easier to maintain, and this is a moment of delight. It’s not sparkly. There’s no fireworks. There’s no gimmicks or technology for the sake of technology. Just a thoughtful experience that signals to your donors, hey, we respect you and your time, and we value your trusts. All right, we’ve done the science, we’ve done the website. Now let’s move on to the form itself. This is the moment where generosity becomes action. The donors clicked. They’ve entered the giving experience. They’re considering an amount, choosing a payment method, and deciding whether or not to actually complete the gift. It’s time for us to fan that spark into a flame. Now, remember, we want to delight donors here. Why? Because the delighted donor becomes a devoted donor, and devoted donors are going to give more. They give faster. They’re going to give more frequently, and they’re going to bring others into your mission. I want us to think about delight very carefully. Delight does not mean clutter. It does not mean adding cute things for the sake of it. It does not mean turning a serious mission into entertainment. In my mind, delight means emotional confirmation. It means the donor feels this is easy, this is trustworthy, this is meaningful. I can see how my gift helps, and I feel good moving forward. We signal to the donor: your spark is safe here. That is what we want-a form that’s both beautiful and functional, a form that reduces overwhelm, a form that uses social proof with integrity, a form that invites the donor into a deeper commitment without feeling pressure. Delight is how we honor the donor’s heart in the giving moment. I want us all to watch this form demonstration as a donor first, not as a fundraiser. And before we analyze anything, before I hit play, just notice what you feel. Does the form feel safe? Does it feel current? Does it feel connected to the mission? Do you know what to do next? Are the amounts clear? Are the payment options familiar? How does. Or does it make you hesitate at all? The social proof that reassures you, the impact cues that remind the donor that this is more than just a payment. The modern payment options that make the final step easier. A simple layout lowers the mental load. Beauty builds trust, and function protects momentum. The best donation forms don’t make the donor work to stay generous; they help generosity keep moving and fan a spark into a flame. One of the strongest principles in form design is this: donors can handle a journey, but they cannot handle overwhelm. When a donor experiences a long wall of fields, they think, “Look how much work this is going to be. A clear step-by-step experience leads donors to think, just take the next step. The deeper principle here is progressive clarity. Show the donor what they need now. Ask for essential information first. Use visual hierarchy. Make the next action obvious, and save stewardship questions for later whenever possible.

I know your internal team may want fund codes, preferences, survey data, segmentation fields, comments, and additional questions, and a lot of these are useful, but the donation form is not the place to make the donor carry all of your internal process. Storytelling gets the donor to the form. Simplicity is going to get them through it. Every option you present has a cost. Choice can be powerful. Don’t get me wrong. Donors may appreciate choosing an amount, a frequency, a fund when the choice is meaningful and really well framed. But too many choices creates cognitive load. Too many giving amounts, too many funds, too many required fields, too many check boxes, too many paragraphs of copy inside the form, too many competing calls to action. Each one asks the donor to stop and think. The more they stop and think about the mechanics; the less they’re focused on impact. And here’s the practical challenge: Can we look at our form and ask, “What can we remove so the donor can stay focused on the good they’re about to fund? This is not about being minimal for the sake of minimalism. It’s about protecting the donor’s emotional momentum. A simpler form is often a more respectful form. Now, two things are especially powerful at this stage: reassurance and acceleration. Social proof provides the reassurance. Recent gifts, privacy-safe activity messages, progress indicators, and matching signals all tell the donor you’re not alone. Other people trust this mission too, and momentum is building. Modern payment options provide the acceleration. Apple Pay, Google Pay, PayPal, ACH, and other familiar payment methods reduce the typing, reduce the hesitation, and help the donor complete the gift while the emotional connection is still alive, the order matters. You want to reassure the heart, then make the action easy. All right, your donors just said yes. This is a sacred little moment in fundraising. They’ve moved from concern to action, from intention to gift, from someone should help to hey I’ll help. So what do we do next? We can invite an even deeper yes, but it has to feel meaningful and not heavy. A donor covers cost option can say, “Would you like to help more of your gift go directly to the mission? A monthly giving upsell can say, “Would you like to make this impact ongoing? A dedication, employer matching, share prompt, a fundraiser invitation can each be a natural. Next step, when presented with care, the mistake is piling on the pressure. The opportunity is offering a next step that deepens the donor’s sense of impact. Givecloud performance data shows that post-checkout monthly giving upsells can increase monthly donor opt-ins and Smart DCC has shown meaningful gains in cost coverage revenue. Here’s the heart of it: the best next ask helps the donor feel even more connected, not more burdened. All right, here’s the simplest kind of most practical takeaway I can give you. I’m going to call it the 10-minute audit. You know, open your website on your phone. I want you to pretend you’re a brand new donor. Start on the homepage and try to understand the mission quickly. Try to find that donate button, click it, complete the form as if you are giving for the first time, and as you go, notice every moment of hesitation. Was the donate path obvious? Did the page feel trustworthy? Did the form feel connected to the organization? How many decisions did you have to make? How many fields did you have to complete? Did the payment options feel modern? Did you know what your gift would do? Did the thank you feel meaningful? You do not need a committee to begin learning from this. You just need some curiosity and a little humility. And I promise you, once you experience your own giving journey as a donor, your next improvements will become much clearer. Listen. As simple as I’ve made all this, I know it can feel like a lot. If you want to unburden yourself from practical next steps, the best actual takeaway I can give you after all this is to just connect Givecloud to your website. Why? Because I personally built Givecloud specifically so that fundraisers like all of you on this webinar don’t need to do any heavy lifting to experience every single one of the best practices you heard today.

It’s all available with your Givecloud account, and what’s absolutely bonkers is Givecloud is included in your DonorPerfect subscription. When you click settings and connect Givecloud to your website, Givecloud converts your website into a spark protecting, donor delighting fundraising machine. You can turn on the appeal banners, the sticky reminders, the social proof, a donor portal, all connected to your DonorPerfect data and the most delightful donation forms on the planet, ready to serve your mission and protect your donors’ spark in just a couple of clicks. So let’s bring this home. Maximizing your online donation form is ultimately about stewardship. Yes, we care about conversion, revenue, recurring giving, average gift size, donor covers costs, abandonment, and all that stuff. But underneath all of that is a donor with a heart, a donor who wants to help, a donor who’s trusting you and I with a piece of their life, their resource, their hope, and their belief-that change is possible. They’re trusting you with their spark. So when you make that donate button clearer, you’re protecting their spark. When you simplify your form, you’re protecting their spark. When you build trust through beauty and design, you’re protecting their spark. When you invite a monthly gift with care, you’re protecting their spark. And don’t forget, a delighted donor becomes a devoted donor, and devoted donors are the kind of supporters every mission deserves. Generous, loyal, connected, and proud to be a part of the good you’re doing. All right, that was a lot, Laurie. How’d I do?

Well, you had. I’m kind of glad you had your team here because they were answering plenty of questions. I’ll tell you that. So I. I mean, I. I think the message came across very well. And they there’s plenty interested in what you were talking about, especially when you were demonstrating Givecloud. So yeah, there’s still more questions. Let me see if there’s anything not answered, though.

I think Josh, maybe the one the question that’s coming up a lot is when you mentioned that there’s no additional cost to add Givecloud to DonorPerfect. I think there’s some confusion around that.

Oh, yeah, it’s included in your DonorPerfect subscription. So sorry, I didn’t. I didn’t mean to suggest that there isn’t. Yeah, I mean. So with every new DonorPerfect subscription, the the default form that comes with your account is is Givecloud for for your form solution, and the pricing. I believe Sam, you’re gonna have to help me out here. Is it is it 3.8% and that includes your payment processing. It includes, it’s all inclusive, and that’s included in your DonorPerfect account. Did I get that price right? I don’t want to get misquoted here.

Yeah. So basically, there’s an express version of Givecloud. This is the one that Josh is talking about. That’s included. I know some people were saying that they’ve looked at Givecloud. There was an additional fee. This is for an upgraded plan, which unlocks just every single feature Givecloud offers, which would be a paid plan. So there are a couple. Yeah, and

I want to be. I just want to be clear about what that what that plan includes. That that higher tier plan is really for enterprise organizations looking for some of our niche features like child sponsorship, memberships, e-commerce. We’ve got a lot of real heavy-hitting features over there, but when it comes to protecting the spark, when it comes to fundraising, when it comes to everything I showed here today, that’s all included in the Givecloud Express version of our product. Express should not be mistaken for fewer features. It’s certainly full-featured when it comes to fundraising, it just doesn’t have some of the the more heavy hitting kind of niche features. Again, e-commerce got some event functionality. We have some peer-to-peer functionality. That’s all included in our our standard and pro accounts as well.

Okay, well, it looks like people are still answering questions, but let me see if there was anything else. No, not a whole lot here that has not been answered. It looks like there.

Oh, I see a question: How do how how did have it added to your DonorPerfect account, your DonorPerfect online account? You know, express your interest here, and we’ll we’ll we’ll have someone get back to you. But also reach out to you know the team at DonorPerfect, and it only takes a couple of days to get everything wired up, and you can be protecting the spark sooner than you know it.

Yeah. Okay. All right. I think we do have everything covered here. I don’t see any more questions coming in. Great question

about whether Givecloud is Canadian. Yes, it is.

I was just about to say I saw that question. Yes,

I am Canadian. A great questions. Born and raised in Ottawa, Canada, which makes the story even stranger that I was building software for the U.S. government, but and yeah, there is a quite a big difference between Canada Helps and and Givecloud. With Givecloud, these forms are yours. With Canada Helps, the forms are are Canada Helps forms, and so all the money goes through Canada Helps. With Givecloud, all the money goes directly to you, and and you’ve got you know far more control over what that experience looks like. I’m sure there’s a bunch of other differences as well. Like we carry quite a few more features than Canada Helps, but I also know Canada Helps is is a very popular option, you know, in my homeland, but but a great alternative if you’re looking to really delight your donor and take your online fundraising beyond being a side door, beyond being a convenience to really one of the experiences and one of the fundraising channels you own as a nonprofit.

Yep. Okay. I’m just seeing things come in, so I wasn’t sure if everything was covered here, but I think we are.

Love hearing that, Anne. Yeah, we can definitely send you an yeah a proposal that is, you know, Canadian bred, Canadian owned.

Oh, and Sarah’s feeling inspired. She said, “And Maria, yes, you will get a recording of the session. And David’s got he’s all right. I think we have basis. I’m just going to give them a quick second to finish typing here. I can see that they’re typing answer answers, but as we wait for that, Josh, I do want to thank you for your your thoughtful and practical session today. I think we’re all in agreement that one of the biggest takeaways is that donors are already coming to us with a desire to give, and our job is to make that experience, or make sure the experience that we create supports that generosity rather than getting in its way. But thank you again for sharing your insights and giving us some practical ideas that we can take back to our organizations. And thank you to everyone who has joined us, who is still asking questions. You can reach out to us just so you’re aware. We’re not going to leave you hanging after the session, but we hope that you leave with new ways to protect the spark of generosity and make it even easier for your donors to say yes. Okay, so all right, Joya, thank you. I have we have your email address. All right, I think that’s everything we have for today. I appreciate the team joining us to answer some questions. We had a few people behind the scenes as well in chat, but we do hope to see you in some future webinars. And we are here if you have questions about accessing Givecloud if you don’t have it already. All right, thanks, Josh. Have a great thank you, Lori.

Thanks everyone for coming. Appreciate it.